it looked like to some degree there in south carolina both hillary clinton and bill clinton were sort of -- were sort of going after him at the same time, trying to fluster him when he got to this debate. he never went there. and i think that's telling for this debate upcoming. all these attempts to try to fluster him, you know, do you remember suzanne, the talk about ronald reagan in that debate? >> right. >> do you recall that? >> that's right. >> all this talk about ronald reagan and whether obama had sort of invoked the name of ronald reagan because so many democrats didn't like him or whatever. well senator obama then took the punches, explained what he said about reagan and took it back to her, keeping the anger under control, finding balance and pushing back hard just not too hard. >> it was interesting too as well you could ask the most dry mundane question, dealing with the economy. they would go back to the talking points in the attacks. it was clear they were trying to score points. fireworks. a "game change"er if you will. i want you to see here's mitt romney in a scenario